Title: “Don’t Lose That Number” by Pete Muller, Mack Meller, and Andrew White
Prompt: The meta for this puzzle is the mega-meta for 2025, a song from the ’90s.
Grid: approx. 30 mins (benchen71)
It’s benchen71 here, filling in for Matt Gaffney. The solving window has now closed on this puzzle. Apparently, there were 156 correct answers of which mine was number 15. I was fortunate to solve after a hint was included in the first December puzzle, “Five For One”:
- 40D. Word between “Angels” and “Call” in a ‘Til Tuesday song title … or how often a crossword constructor should use a word that’s in the grid as part of a clue, typically = NEVER
Based on that clue, and the fact that NEVER also appeared in another entry’s clue (8A. What landlord’s never pay = RENT), I went back through all of the previous puzzles and did a search for grid entries that also appear in the clues. Turns out there was one in every puzzle. As a constructor, I’m usually pretty careful not to let this happen; but sometimes, it just does. Well done to Pete, Mack, and Andrew for making sure this only happened when you wanted it to!
If you look through the 12 puzzles of 2025, the first letters of the entries that also appeared in another entry’s clue spelled SOUNDS LIKE A N. I spent quite a while thinking this was to be interpreted as SOUNDS LIKE AN [ECHO], since the word in the grid was echoed in the clues. At this point, I submitted my red herring (“a rock band that’s been around since the ’80s”). I toyed with PSEUDO ECHO, but eventually went with SOUNDGARDEN, since that name matched the first five of the revealed letters. Reader, I was wrong… and I still don’t know what the red herring is supposed to be!
But then I was prompted to look at the singer referenced in the echoed grid entry in the January puzzle. Turns out, if you say that singer/band name out loud, you can hear a number! And then you just need to take the letter from that numbered grid square!! Simple!!!
- Jan: SWEET – Allen Toussaint = 2 > A
- Feb: ORLANDO – Katy Perry = 80 > L [Note that this was a 17×17 grid in order to include a clue number of 80]
- Mar: URGENT – Foreigner = 4 > O
- Apr: NIXON – Arlo Guthrie = 3 > N
- May: DATE – Tommy Tutone = 2 > G [Note that at this point, 3 people successfully solved the mega meta!]
- Jun: SOMEONE -Tom Waits = 8 > D
- Jul: LISA – Lita Ford = 4 > E
- Aug: INDIA – Stevie Wonder = 1 > C [Note that INDIA was positioned in the omega across position]
- Sep: KEEP – Tupac Shakur = 2 > E
- Oct: EYES – Tony Levin = 11 > M [Note that the singer is actually Peter Gabriel, so why mention the bassist?]
- Nov: ARMS – Dire Straits = 8 > B [Note that the echoed clue/entry are 22A/22D]
- Dec: NEVER – ‘Til Tuesday = 2 > E
That was when I submitted my solution, A LONG DECEMBER by the Counting Crows, assuming the final letter would come from the 13th MMMM of the year…

… which brings us to the 13th MMMM of the year, a puzzle entitled “Don’t Lose That Number”. There is a hint in the grid:
- 48D. Repeats out loud … perhaps to find secret mega-meta information in this year’s previous puzzles? = RESAYS
However, there are also a lot of bands in the clues that have numbers in their names. If you collect the first letters of those entries, it spells COUNTING CROWS, and if you collect the letters found at the numbered grid squares, you get A LONG DECEMBER:
- 6A. “In Da ___” (50 Cent song) = CLUB > 50 > A
- 10A. “It’s ___” (Level 42 song) = OVER > 42 > L
- 14A. “___ the End of the World” (U2 song) = UNTIL > 2 > O
- 16A. “___ Semester” (Twenty One Pilots song) = NEXT > 21 > N
- 20A. “Legal ___” (B-52s song) = TENDER > 52 > G
- 35A. “Rockin’ ___ the Night” (38 Special song) = INTO > 38 > D
- 36A. “Superman (It’s ___ Easy)” (Five for Fighting song) = NOT > 5 > E
- 43A “When I’m ___” (3 Doors Down song) = GONE > 3 > C
- 53A. Maroon 5 song = COLD > 5 > E
- 55A. “___ Me” (Thirty Seconds to Mars song) = RESCUE > 30 > M
- 64A. Nine Inch Nails song = ONLY > 9 > B
- 66A. “___ You Back” (5 Seconds of Summer song) = WANT > 5 > E
- 68A. “___ My Girl” (One Direction song) = STEAL > 1 > R
The only other thing to note is that there is yet another grid entry that’s repeated in the clues! 14A. UNTIL shows up in 60D. Last prez without a prior political office
until Trump = IKE. So the whole meta message turns out to be SOUNDS LIKE A NU. I’m assuming that’s short for “number” and not the Greek letter!
Thanks to the MMMM team of Pete Muller, Mack Meller, and Andrew White for another great year of puzzles. I look forward to 2026!
I also don’t know what the red herring is but the first December puzzle had two repeated clue/entries rather than one – the second one gave an “O” which made the instruction ending “a no” or “a number”
Hardest mega meta by far! Not a criticism, just saying!
Thanks for the write-up. I unfortunately didn’t solve the mega-meta until the reveal puzzle but still managed to miss the mark 6 times after only finding COUNTING CROWS, then put it away for a few days, and then finally realized I hadn’t tried doing anything with the numbers in the artist/band names themselves. I, too, still don’t know the intended red herring after trying several ideas throughout the real-time solves as well as right before and after the reveal release. Interestingly, though, while I had collected SOUNDS LIKE AN O based on the hint provided in the December puzzle, you didn’t mention anything about the associated/simultaneous message MEGA META START that is created using the beginning letter of the grid entry whose clue contained the word repeated in the grid. My biggest problem was properly putting the messages together, as early on I thought perhaps AN OMEGA-META was a “thing”.
Kudos and congrats to all who were able to solve this mega-meta early and to Pete and team for such masterful construction. Beautifully done!
The red herring answer was Pfish
Jan 40D Homophone of the number of homophonic three-letter entries in this grid FORE
Feb 45A Homophone of the colloquial name of a popular singing show IDLE
Mar 11A Homophone of Aretha Franklin’s musical genre SOLE
Apr 62A Homophone of something found on most heads HARE
The 2025 red herring is a rock band that’s been around since the ’80s Pfish
Thanks for sharing. For as many things as I tried, I never traveled down the homophone path, and to have it so closely related to “herring” just made it even more devious — once again, well-played! I think I had too much tunnel vision, especially after December and reveal puzzles, and had been thinking that it was still related to the “repeat” theme as I had noticed several months containing clues with the same starting word (other than articles like “an”, “the”, etc.,). The MMMM bar as a whole was certainly raised this year — thanks again for the challenges!
The band is Phish.
Oops, sorry.
Thanks so much Ben!
As others have pointed out, the full phrase was SOUNDS LIKE A NO
If you look closely at the final reveal puzzle, you’ll see that there are 13 grid words that appear in the clues (UNTIL is one of them).
Thanks Barbara K for sharing the Red Herring solution.
So impressed with the three solvers who cracked the mega in May!
Happy New Year all and see you next year for another MMMM cycle.
Ah, I should have known SOUNDS LIKE A NU would not pass Muller quality control! SOUNDS LIKE A NO makes much better sense.
Your puzzles and your music are amazing. Can’t wait for ’26!